The Paula Gordon Show |
Amelia A. | |||
When you defend your fish, your fishing improves, reports
ocean advocate Carl Safina, who has seen it happening in the North Pacific.
But when you defend your fishing, your fishing deteriorates, he says,
pointing to the North Atlantic. Dr. Safina is a leading environmentalist,
founder of the Living Oceans program for the National Audubon Society,
winner of a MacArthur “genius” award and a fisherman.
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Conversation 1 Carl Safina tells Paula Gordon and Bill Russell why he chose albatrosses to help us fill in the vast blue spaces on the world’s map. Dr. Safina describes lifelong interests which led him to write about the central role sea birds play for everyone fishing in the ocean, from fishing fleets to individuals. |
Conversation 2 Dr. Safina describes a suite of birds adapted for roaming vast distances of open oceans, particularly the albatrosses of whom he speaks in his second book. He suggests how surprisingly similar sea birds are to people while assuring us that he looked at albatrosses for their own sake. Dr Safina compares how people and birds adapt to their surroundings. He describes how all species call on both learning and initial tendencies as we struggle to survive. He reports on what has been learned about how albatrosses live out their lives and how they have adapted to their watery habitat. |
Conversation 3 Bringing us up to date on how scientists now track and study the life cycles of ocean birds and big fish, Dr. Safina applauds a pioneering scientist who is helping us all understand the world. Dr. Safina reports on great strides being made in understanding how sea creatures live. He reminds us that billions of birds are constantly moving across the face of the planet. While he does take simple pleasure in learning about sea creatures, Dr. Safina also is concerned about hazards these species face because so few people realize how many are disappearing. He expands with examples. |
Conversation 4 Adaptations tuned to extremes over vast expanses of time can be both a bird's strongest asset and weakest link when it comes to coping with humans, says Dr. Safina, who gives examples of how distant islands can be either havens or prison. Some things are getting better, Dr. Safina is glad to report, while he also points out a paradox -- threats on land are decreasing while threats from fishing gear at sea are dramatically on the rise. There are solutions, Dr. Safina is confident, and he tells stories of how people are beginning to implement some of those solution. He makes a strong argument for why it is realistic to stay hopeful in the face of daunting challenges. |
Conversation 5 Fisheries in the North Atlantic have crashed while those in the North Pacific are rebuilding and doing well, Dr. Safina reports. He describes how differently fishing people in a variety of places now approach the sea. When people work to rationalize the amount of fishing power based on the resource, both the people and the resource are doing better, he has found. He compares the process to living off interest or consuming capital, and offers an example from the North Pacific. He reminds us how powerful a small number of people can be in changing the world. He gives two graphic examples of the global impact of humans. |
Conversation 6 Dr. Safina sketches out new scientific hypotheses for how birds are able to navigate across astonishing expanses. He calls us to act on hopeful impulses. People do make all the difference he says, because people do now shape the world -- for good or ill. |
Acknowledgements The oceans have a true friend in Carl Safina and so
do we. We are grateful for both. We applaud both the lyrical quality
of Carl’s writing and the courage he exhibits in |
Related Links: Our first program with Carl focused on his Lannan Prize winning Song for the Blue Ocean. |